Speaker 2: 0:12

Welcome back to the Practical Spirituality Podcast. We are so excited to have you on this journey with us, where we explore all elements of mind, body, emotions and soul through the lens of everyday life.

Speaker 1: 0:29

Hello Kim.

Speaker 2: 0:30

Hello Gareth, how are you?

Speaker 1: 0:32

I'm doing good this morning. How are you doing?

Speaker 1: 0:34

I'm doing pretty good this morning For this week's episode. We've talked in this podcast about negative thoughts, negative thinking, positive thoughts, positive thinking, why those things are a part of any of our human reality and our experience while on this planet. But I think another angle to dive into it, which is a bit more complex, you could say, is the stories that we tell ourselves or the different narratives that we run in our day-to-day lives to shape our reality. And I think it goes back to some of the comments you've made in previous episodes about, say the, as you would describe, the map of the world that I mean this would have, or how we navigate this world. So I think this is worth interesting to talk about.

Speaker 1: 1:16

Basically, the different stories we tell ourselves in a day-in-day basis, such as what we assume other people are thinking about us. The different stories we tell ourselves to stop ourselves from taking certain actions in life and, yes, that might be fear-based or there might be different other emotions present but the different stories that we tell ourselves on an ongoing basis that we take as absolute truth. That dictates a lot of our decisions, but yet we've never really had the opportunity to question these stories, their roots, why they're there, what are they protecting us from? I just think that whole conversation of mapping out the world and our map of the world is maybe one we could dive into further.

Speaker 2: 1:56

I think it's a good topic because I think it is also one that most people don't think about until they're on this journey, and even well into this journey. It's not widely discussed about how the narrative gets there and why the narrative is there, and how do you change that narrative if you have a strong narrative running and that is interesting because it's either what's going to keep us stuck or it's what's going to allow us to start to grow how that story is running in our head. So I think it's a very important topic.

Speaker 1: 2:33

And the reality is that narrative, or the multiple that runs throughout life. It impacts us all in mind, body, emotion, soul, and each of them play a role in who we've become today and the person and the people we will become moving forward.

Speaker 1: 2:47

But, I think, as you were saying there, we've never had the ability to take a step back and actually question what are the current ones we're running Actually, what's it trying to show us or teach us about ourselves, the roots and what does the future mean with those narratives when we begin to sit down and question them? Present day mean with those narratives, when we begin to sit down and question them present day face to face Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 3:06

And even when people are on this journey, they really struggle with understanding, no matter how much work they've done. Sometimes that story or that narrative or those stories and narratives come back. And why is it that they come back? So you know, I have a whole take on that. So you know, a lot of times I like to say the narrative originates in the fact, usually the different experiences that happen to us in those first few years of our life, when we don't have an analytical mind, we are absorbing the world, you know, through that part of our life. When we don't have an analytical mind, we are absorbing the world through that part of our mind that just takes everything literally.

Speaker 2: 3:51

But at the same time, since we don't have the ability to decipher, there are certain things I want to say, certain beliefs that are formed, and those particular beliefs are what form the narrative. And most people don't ever question the beliefs. How true are they? You know, they spend their whole life trying to resolve the belief or the story, but they have no idea of where it came from and whether it's true or whether it's not yeah, yeah, because we take it as factual truth, as you said, because from a very young age, especially of us, where the narratives come from.

Speaker 1: 4:31

We don't know any different and a lot of us have never been supported to be able to question whether it's true or not. But what is true is that we've continued to add to these narratives throughout life through experience. A lot of people have been telling us to believe, basically without ever the ability to ask why, or is that accurate, or does that work for me, or what does that mean for me moving forward. So that's why I was saying at the start of by trying to explain the angle of this particular episode, because it's not as simple as just defining positive thinking, negative thinking. It's both of that and everything in between, of how we navigate our day-to-day lives and the different narratives that encourage us but also protect us also.

Speaker 2: 5:13

Well, they do, and it is very different than those things. And so the way that I would, the vocabulary that I would use, is there are. We have belief systems and we have core beliefs. And I say those core beliefs happen to be ideas that we've picked up, that we believe to be true, that have solidified in our brain because we've told that story over and over and over again so many times, and the difference between positive thinking and negative thinking is so.

Speaker 2: 5:47

The best way to explain this is to give you an example of one of my clients. So I have a client who, when they were five years of age, their parents wanted to go into a store and she has a little brother that was three years of age. Parents asked her to sit outside the store and watch the little brother. Well, hello, we all know how well the attention span of a five-year-old and a three-year-old are. Parents are in the store, they come out she's still sitting there and they're like where's your brother? And he had wandered off. So he had wandered off. It probably took them two or three hours before they found the little boy. So the father, in his fear, lost the plot at the young girl. So from that experience. The fear she felt about her little brother, how she felt she was in trouble, how she felt it was her fault, has well in her mind solidified. I did something wrong, and that's why Dad is angry at me.

Speaker 2: 6:49

But as she went through life she continued to tell that story I'm wrong and she would look for proof of it. And then of course she would find the proof and then of course Dad would be upset with her. And after that goes on for a certain period of time, every relationship she enters, no matter what it is, something happens Instantly. There's the story it must be my fault, I've done something wrong, whether it's her fault or whether it's not. Whether there's clear evidence that it's not, that becomes the story. Clear evidence that it's not, that becomes the story.

Speaker 2: 7:24

And the other interesting part about this, I think, is what happens then is we start to try and resolve the lie that we believed in childhood. So it sets up a whole pattern. This is where it gets really interesting for you and I, because it sets up this whole pattern of if you're running one of these narratives like, the most common one is I'm not good enough or I'm not capable. You know there's quite a few of them, but if you're running one of those, then you spend your entire life trying to prove that you are good enough, but the fact that you were not good enough was a lie in the first place. So how do you prove that a lie isn't true? And you run around in that circle constantly trying to prove the narrative but it's also the narrative.

Speaker 1: 8:12

Even though it's uncomfortable, has also been a comfort zone, because it's also all we've ever known. So it's not uncommon for us to self-sabotage, to create the evidence that doesn't exist to start with yeah which is exactly what we're saying. So like, as you said, it's a how do you expect anyone to navigate this on their own?

Speaker 2: 8:33

I don't know.

Speaker 2: 8:35

I don't know, because I did try for quite a long time. And here's the very interesting thing Even after you start on this journey, there are very few people that are able to help. You see that you're running a narrative in your head and you. This is why we say it's what shapes our life, because if we buy the story hook, line and sinker, then we're constantly looking for those proofs. Anchor, then we're constantly looking for those proofs, and then we go. I don't know why I don't get ahead, or I don't know why I don't find love, or I don't know why, whatever the story supports at that particular point in time, and it's it. It's fascinating that it takes us to a certain point before we are even able to begin to question the story.

Speaker 1: 9:29

I feel like that's part of the journey they don't mention.

Speaker 2: 9:32

I get it the fine print, kind of like it's a contract.

Speaker 1: 9:36

There's a lot of fine print.

Speaker 2: 9:38

Yes, and, yeah, how are we supposed to know about all that fine print? Like, I can tell you honestly, I didn't understand this because in my teaching I was taught that we all have beliefs You've heard me talk about, you know, the map isn't the territory, and everybody's map is different. And we all have different beliefs, of course, because of our culture, because of where we were raised, because of the era that we were raised in, the schooling that we went to, the people we hung out with. So we all have these different beliefs. We all think we're talking about the same thing and quite often we're never talking about the same thing, but that's beside the point. No one ever told me that some of those have become rock solid and they were based on a lie to start with.

Speaker 1: 10:27

Yeah, but I think what's really tough about this process, or becoming the terms of thought, especially when starting off, is that even when you explain that beautifully and perfectly to someone, to their logical mind, we both know the emotional belief and the ties that come along with it. Because even when something makes sense to us logically, it does not mean that we're able to simply just let it go. Only if it was so simple.

Speaker 2: 10:51

It's very true, because our whole life has been built on it. That's the interesting thing. We've built our whole life on the narrative. So, whether that's, I always fail, I'm always wrong, I'm not good enough. They don't't understand me because we've spent so much time looking for the proof. It's you know, in psychology they call it that cognitive dissidence like the truth is in front of us, but we have so much proof otherwise we're not going to believe the proof that's been put in front of us I was just about to say we don't know who to believe we don't, we don't, and so that believe we don't, we don't, and so that becomes quite a conundrum.

Speaker 2: 11:29

You know, and I just want our listeners to know, we are not always here just to pop your bubble and tell you that life really sucks, because there is a way out of this, because every week we come on here and we go okay, so what about this?

Speaker 1: 11:47

Because every week we come on here and we go okay, so what about this? Most things are sort of depressing practical spirituality.

Speaker 2: 11:54

But I think when we talk about practical spirituality, this is one of the things that we're talking about. Until we have the ability to explore everything we believed to be true before and I think you, it's true, it's everything we believed before, correct?

Speaker 1: 12:11

yep, yep, this is practical spirituality, because we all experience this as human beings and therefore but no one talks about it yet as something we all go through it's easy to hide and into a lot of different things, but when something like this and the narratives we all run which we all do run in different ways if we all do that, then that is a part of the spiritual experience here, but yet no one talks about it. So it's not that we're trying to be depressing or trying to bring anything down. I think by actually finally talking about it, you and I have experienced how much it begins to really open you up, to question why and that's where we do find that inner growth, our inner voice and understanding our own individual journeys, and that's why we're so passionate about having these conversations that were never presented to us before.

Speaker 2: 12:59

Absolutely true and I can tell you as someone who does this work well and truthfully into my work, went to a, I went to some seminar and I was listening to a guy talk and he started talking about these narratives, the stories we tell ourselves, or the core beliefs, and how, how, in the world of personal growth, it's handled in a wrong way because we treat it like any other belief, but that we haven't realized. The more that we focus on trying to change it, the bigger it becomes, and that becomes a really big deal when it comes to our personal growth, because aren't we taught to go, look at these things? But if we look at them and I think that's why this logical explanation becomes really important you know, I wouldn't say we want to go in and look at the stories, but we definitely want to question the stories. We don't want to focus so much on the meaning behind the story, but we want to be able to go. Oh, hang on, you know what is it about that?

Speaker 1: 14:05

that I believe to be true and I think so when we're doing that journey, especially when we want to understand this narratives, maybe we're at that stage in our journeys where it's time to question it. You see, like a lot of things you and I talk about, it's a process. So first of all, of course, you have to educate the mind what it needs to know. Then you start to go through the emotional process, which means most likely going into the past, going into the childhood stuff, going into the family, friends, friendships, relationships, of how those narratives created and how those things were, shall we say, verified over the decades. And then you go into the physical part of it, which we both understand as well, as if there was physical trauma of some kind, of how the body holds these different things within us. That's a journey.

Speaker 1: 14:51

And then there's the spiritual understanding of why we would have put ourselves through all of this in the spiritual contracts. So I'm saying it is an absolute journey of mind, body, emotion, soul. But I think it's that you have to respect the order. At times you do that process and to make the most sense of it, but you can't really skip certain steps because, at the end of the day, if the mind doesn't understand, we're going to find ways to spook ourselves and to run away from it and to go back to what we know, even if we know it's not working for us. As I was saying earlier, it's comforting in the fact that it's familiar, even if we don't like it, and that goes with any of the narratives that we run, both positive and negative.

Speaker 2: 15:29

Absolutely. You know, how do you start to recognize what is the narrative that you're running? What? Well, what are the narratives? Because it's never just one.

Speaker 1: 15:41

This is going to be a very long episode.

Speaker 1: 15:45

Should you go first or should I?

Speaker 1: 15:48

But I think an easy identifier and I won't say easy, but it's that say, as some of the examples that you mentioned earlier in passing it's like if we keep finding ourselves saying I'm not good enough, or the things I'm always feeling, or I can never seem to get relationships right, the things that'm always feeling or I can never seem to get relationships right, the things that are constantly repeating themselves in our day-to-day lives, or month-to-month or year-to-year, we can see those patterns of do I keep finding myself in those relationships or do I not keep getting those jobs I keep going for, or I keep chasing the love from my parents.

Speaker 1: 16:24

But the point is, if you look at anyone, you can see where those patterns I keep chasing the love from my parents. But the point is, if you look at anyone, you can see where those patterns and behaviors and narratives are repeating within their lives. So I think we're all consciously aware of it, but we've just never been asked to question it, because I don't think if you ask anyone, if you'd ask anyone on the street, I think they could quickly tell you right away in some ways of what do they find the negative things keep repeating in their lives and what are the story or what is the narrative they keep repeating? But then if you ask them when's the last time someone asked you that question or asked you about it, they'd probably say never.

Speaker 2: 16:57

Right, and when was the last time anyone asked you to question it? Now, and if you do, and in the beginning, if you do question the narrative, the first thing that happens is you start to supply all the proof as to why that narrative is true, and in that process, you've reconvinced yourself all over again. This is why the narrative is true.

Speaker 1: 17:22

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Speaker 2: 17:27

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Speaker 1: 18:07

let's get back to that episode, shall we? I do think a lot of us are consciously aware of the fact that these narratives are running. Why? Because we do live with them every single day and they are dictating nearly all of our decisions every single day also, but I think it's that none of us ever really ever asked about it or to even talk about it, and none of us ever really ever asked about it or to even talk about it, and none of us are even really that aware that we can do something about it.

Speaker 2: 18:31

Well, even if we become aware of them, like I can tell you one of mine, I'm not shy about some of the narratives that I have run my entire life and God knows I've got quite a few of them, but one of the main ones are people always leave. I mean, you recognize that one. It's the first thing I go to. Almost every single time You're mad at me, you're going to leave. That's just the way it is. Notice how I just said that. That's just the way it is, because of all of the proof that is run.

Speaker 2: 19:03

So not being to recognize, or even when I did start to recognize that story that I'm telling myself, it didn't matter who came into my life because the proof was there. And even when I started to question it, that proof, it's been solidified for so many years. Proof, it's been solidified for so many years. There is a want to hope for it to be different.

Speaker 2: 19:33

Now, one of the key things that I've picked up and you and I talk about it. You know I logically understand why that is there. I understand that that was part of the journey that I had to go through and there has been incredible growth and learnings around myself and learning to like myself and learning to love myself. It is dropping all those proofs. That tends to be the challenging part after they've been there and solidified for so long so people can tell me I'm not going anywhere and within less than a second I can hear my mind going oh yeah, we'll see. We'll see. And I'm saying that because I want people to understand that we're not up here saying, oh, all you got to do is change the narrative, because we know it's not as simple as just going in and changing the narrative.

Speaker 1: 20:25

But I think it's having the ability to understand that the narrative is going to be triggered within us when exposed to those examples. But now we've been educated to understand what to do when those narratives are triggered, how to question them and how to balance the books internally, so to speak, and mind, body emotions. Does it mean that it's an easy experience? No. Does it mean it's a nice experience? No. But at least we have our own map of the world now, of how to navigate this, instead of the one we were given in our childhood. So we're adding to this map instead of just being told this. Is it no deal with it?

Speaker 2: 20:59

Absolutely, absolutely. And the other thing that happens when we're questioning the narrative, when you have that blanket load of proofs, it's also then looking for the proofs of the opposite of the story. Because that is one of the key things in questioning the story is to say, well, people always leave. Well, do they really? Yeah, always every time you know, like how and when have they not left? And I can guarantee you most people go well, that didn't count, that's different. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2: 21:36

And so we dismiss the opposite proof of what the narrative is, and I think that's one of the reasons it's so important for us to bring it up. And I think that's one of the reasons it's so important for us to bring it up, because we're saying how does your story dictate or basically shape your reality? And this is how it does it. Because until we're ready to really sit down and have that relationship with ourselves and with what this story means to us, whatever the story is because there's countless ones it's not till then that we can go oh, okay, well, maybe people don't always leave. And how many times have I left to preempt them leaving? Because there is another side of the story that well, we don't even want to look at that, because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Speaker 1: 22:27

This doesn't sound fun, kim. I don't know if we want to explore this. Can we burn this map of the world please?

Speaker 2: 22:38

Well, plenty of times I've wanted to trust me.

Speaker 1: 22:42

But I think this is where, again, when it comes back to, we all run this and we all have our versions of this. How can this not be a fascinating conversation to have, which means there is growth within it when we are exposed to question it, to grow with it, and it doesn't mean that's a perfect process that's going to guarantee results. But, like anything, when we're willing to question it and explore it, it we always come out with more knowledge about self than we had before. Because what you and I are never going to say to the listeners that, oh, once you do this, it'll be all cleaned up, and you're never going to, it's never going to get triggered again, or these narratives are never going to come back.

Speaker 2: 23:21

Well, it's just not true.

Speaker 1: 23:22

But that doesn't mean that this is depressing. That does not mean that this is depressing, that does not mean that this is all negative, we're not worth doing. The journey I'm saying is that we've all been given a map of the world, as we were talking about before, but now that it's. But it's interesting how life exposes us to certain experiences that bring us on this journey to have to question because of that rock bottom that we've hit a few times and that wasn't a fan favourite from last week is what I'm hearing constantly, so maybe I should not use the term rock bottom.

Speaker 2: 24:08

When we're talking about it, you know, when you're looking at it for the first time, it does seem big and overwhelming and huge. But if you think about it, you've been questioning other people's narratives or stories your entire life and we've been able to see where other people are buying into their story and that it's not true. So if we can see it in others, it means there's a part of us that is ready to explore it. And, to be really honest with you, this has been of all the things that I've had to explore in my growth. This is one of the areas where it's taken me longer, I will admit to that, but it's not been as harsh as some of the other things in questioning that narrative that I run and questioning why I run the narrative that I run, and so I guess you know it's about helping people understand there comes a real piece when you've done this work, you know, because it's like, sure, does the narrative still run?

Speaker 2: 25:10

Oh, yep, there's my old friend. It's been a whole 30 seconds since you've been hanging out and I'm buying into that story today, you know, because here's here's something that is kind of I think. I heard someone coined this phrase the other day and I loved it. All we are is changing and we're always changing. All we are is change and we're always changing. So we've been changing since conception. With things like what we're talking about today, questioning the narrative and how it shapes our life, it's just another area that is meant to change and if you're not questioning yet, you're not ready to do that change at this point.

Speaker 1: 25:58

It is true, and I think us going through life and questioning this and being met with so much evidence in our own experiences. It's so true, but it's never what anyone wants wants to hear and it's definitely what we never wanted to hear you know what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1: 26:13

Yes, because even when a part of this feels that, that there's something about it that sits right with us, there's always a part of us that can end up kicking and screaming because of the conditioning, because we all want that silver bullet, because we all feel like we've been through enough hardship, we all feel like we've we've invested enough. Like when? Where does it end? I think that's when people are when does it get easier when it comes to exploring, doing this work?

Speaker 2: 26:39

I think it gets easier. So, as someone who's been on this journey for a little while, I think it starts to get easier. When we come to that place of I almost want to trip on this word when we come to that place of understanding, I shall say no, say it. When we get to that place of acceptance and accepting that we are on a journey of growth and so, therefore, it's all again the narrative.

Speaker 1: 27:11

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:12

How we look at it. It's how we frame it up. Is it really that difficult? You know, because we're going through it anyway. I personally found banging my head against the wall more difficult than doing the questioning. I have been told I'm an odd one, though, so I understand most people might like banging their head against the wall, but I personally didn't like that. So you know it is interesting, and a lot of people do say when does it ever end? It just changes and becomes a lot easier as you start to have that relationship with self and that relationship with all parts of yourself.

Speaker 1: 27:52

I couldn't agree more and I think when we do find ourselves saying those exact words being when is this going to end that within itself just tells us more about what we need to explore to get relief in what we're actually talking about, of what we still don't understand about self. So I do feel like life is constantly giving us direction or redirection, but we just haven't been taught how to actually read it as as that and what to do with that information. Because if we're struggling with something, that means there's a narrative running this, having a struggle with our sense of reality, which was a narrative given to us at some stage because we weren't born with it exactly exactly.

Speaker 2: 28:31

That's very true, and so this is why this conversation is so huge. Where did we get the assumption that life was going to be smooth? Where did we pick that up? And I had a client client the other day that had a huge session, and I get a message in between sessions saying oh, it's been a bit bumpy, I probably need a top up. Blah, blah, blah and I'm like okay, so can I ask you this when have you ever tried something new and it didn't have its bumps along the way?

Speaker 2: 29:03

Because that is part of it. Until we master it, it's bumpy.

Speaker 1: 29:09

See, we all have that experience and that evidence of that being true. But why do we ignore that when we all know that's true? It's really impressive, Kim.

Speaker 2: 29:24

I know we do a very good job at it, don't we?

Speaker 1: 29:29

We're all Oscar-winning actors I say that to my clients all the time like we're really good at pretending things should be one way when we know it's a different way exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2: 29:39

So I guess one of the things that we want to leave our listeners with is how amazing our life is when we start to question these things, when we come to some understanding about these stories that we're telling ourself. You know when I was able to start saying, oh, that's my story, it's not me, big difference, because I used to think it was me, and I imagine so many people think this map of the world that we have, whatever is involved in it, is who I am. But basically it is just the story that we're telling ourself. So if we don't like the story, we can really, and so it's not a matter of just changing the story. We have to understand why we were running the story in the first place, and when we have had a complete relationship with that story, then we have a better chance of telling ourself a new story. But we can't just jump straight to the new story.

Speaker 1: 30:39

But the reason why we're not allowed to do that is because, as we often talk about, our journeys are here for growth and, I think, because we all are destined to have these blind spots to the truth that we know, or a sense of reality and that are true to our experience. The blind spots I actually feel are guided by our own energy to expose us to more experiences that make each of our own paths unique as they are, because this is what continues to be fascinating, I think, about elements of this season. We're all talking about similar experiences. All go through as human beings, yet our exposure and experience to those exact things are all completely different, completely different, yet it's hard to argue that we don't all go through it well, people think they don't go through it because the narrative they're telling themselves sometimes is different.

Speaker 2: 31:31

But they might not go through it exactly the same way I do or you do. We're all going through it in our own way, however that looks, and that's what becomes really fascinating. I find it to be such a fascinating topic because once you start questioning some of the stories and what you believe to be true and you start to have an understanding even though that still rears its ugly head it doesn't have as much power over you when you know it's just the story, and then eventually you create that new story. When you finish with the old story, you get to do the same process all over again, but it becomes far more interesting because you understand the process in a different way than instead of feeling like you were in a fight to begin with.

Speaker 1: 32:25

Yeah, so it's no longer raising its ugly head, it's just a head.

Speaker 2: 32:35

I prefer story. There's that old story again, there it is, and I often put it in the corner and go you can just sit over there because I'm not playing today, I'm not reading the story today.

Speaker 1: 32:45

But I think that's what's interesting about it is that people do have that expectation that once through the work, that these stories stop popping up. They do pop up but we don't necessarily believe them or lean into them or they don't dictate or control us anymore. But we have an awareness because they're always going to be a part of us why they've made us who we are today. So we're not trying to delete elements of us, but that doesn't mean that we have to believe them anymore, especially when we've had all the relevant experiences that we've needed to have with those narratives to be the people we are. That's brought us on this advanced journey, but it's also a time where we can recognize it, but it doesn't have to dictate who we become moving forward.

Speaker 1: 33:30

So the reason I want to bring up this topic or the subject for this morning's episode, is simply because, once again, it's something we all go through and when any of us are asked to actually start to question any of this, it's amazing what it can bring up as part of our journey when given the opportunity to, because it's not as simple as as if we're all resisting this all of the time. So sometimes we've never been asked the question. Yeah, sometimes it can be that simple, and therefore, what I want to put out to our listeners is that what are the different narratives or stories that you tell yourself on an ongoing basis that maybe you're somewhat aware of but never have actually just asked the question of, and whether I need to believe it? I want to believe it. I don't have a choice, it's just what immediately comes to mind.

Speaker 2: 34:18

I think, then, it's only then that we can start to really find out because you know, we have lots of good stories too, and I think it's important to point that out as well what stories are supporting us and what stories are not supporting us as we talked about at the start of this conversation, is too simplified to say it's just positive thinking or negative thinking.

Speaker 1: 34:39

It's more that we're all running narratives that do have a positive influence on us and sometimes a negative influence on us, but we never have been given the opportunity to actually ask what are these, where they come from, is it still benefiting us and what can we learn about ourselves from exploring it? And that's what I want all of our listeners this morning to actually have the opportunity to, in their own time, if they're meditating, if they're writing journaling, to actually question what are some of the narratives or stories that are ongoing in my day-to-day life that might be helpful for me to explore presently.

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